reveletory for me was around 2002, ben kweller/f'n days and they FUCKING Killing it. i've never seen such intensity. at the time i had no reference point. things were simple. there was poppunk and then there was "hardcore" (a very ambigious word. this was long island early 90s) and since ergs! play faster and brutaler and punkasfuck live it was like a mix between poppunk 80s punk channeling minutemen and 60s legends the zombies (worn clearly on sleeves. rod argent is none other than the man behind em")..
i don't wanna be old.