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General / so it's done round here i guess for reals?
April 24, 2018, 11:16:08 AM
it was instinctual to check here when i get online because i've been doing it for over 15 years, which is fucking insane when i think about that and i don't want it to be the case but i guess we're old and.. old.
okay so i posted this in the Louie thread but thought i'd expand on my thoughts about it or put it somewhere else more appropriate..
okay so i wanted some genuine opinions on this one.. I've been thinking about everything that has come to light and the repulsion i feel towards the world that seems almost hopeless in its wretchedness (sorry to sound almost old testament like) and it's made me think about myself. I always try to look at myself. I'm going to admit things that I'm not proud of. Things I didn't think much about at the time because heavy drug use was a factor (and i don't say this to even go fishing for an iota of an excuse, i only mention it because all it did was keep me from looking at myself after the fact.) I'm learning a lot about consent, I'm learning a lot about a lot of things. and all that comes to mind for myself are these random instances.. being much younger, like 12, 13 when I first became interested in bodily pleasure, etc, you know it, you've all been thru it. however, I remember keeping my ears open to whomever was considered the "slut" at the time (and i cringe even thinking about this or talking like this because i'm referring to a child now when i describe this, even though we were the same age at the time) and I would actively seek them out knowing they were very easy. now I can see that there's a strong chance that if they were promiscuous at that age there's a very strong chance that they either had cripplingly low self esteem and thought that's what it would take for a guy, someone, anyone to like them and/or there was sexual abuse?

is it wrong for me to assume that those were the only two options? I don't know. I'm willing to admit I'm far from an expert and I'm only posting this and asking because I always try to learn. to strive to be a better individual in the moment and foreseeable future.

of course I never forced myself on them, only sought out those that I knew would be almost tragically easy.

I don't know. it's just on my mind. this might be totally irrelevant but when I think about it, if someone wasn't interested, and didn't NOT consent explicitly, perhaps were too embarrassed or ashamed or for whatever reason didn't verbalize that, does it diminish anything?

There was also times when i was with a woman who I was using drugs with.. (okay, and this I am VERY disgusted with myself in hindsight. ).. and after a night of indulgence as the sun was coming up, she begged my dealer, whom we were hanging out with, the 3 of us, for more drugs. he declined since all the money had worn out. She offered sexual services in exchange for them. Despite the fact that she had offered, she wouldn't of had to if the situation was somewhat different, and it was very clear it wasn't something she wanted to do. I didn't interject at the time, I didn't pull my dealer aside and say that's fucked up, she clearly has a problem, give her something if she's that desperate, etc.. I let them do what they did. I thought at the time there was nothing I could do to stop an addict when they're mind is set (and I still somewhat maintain that being an addict at heart, although in recovery) yet still, I should have tried..

I hope these aren't terrible examples. I hope I don't seem like a piece of shit. i dunno. the world is sad and confusing and I'm trying to learn more and more each day.

I just thought it might be a nice idea to vent if anyone has any guilt over questionable things of the past, present, etc. 

So Fred Cole was a legend and if you know about him, you know that and if you don't this would be a cool chance if you felt inclined to learn a bit about the man and his remarkable history.

the man literally played music since the 60s, raging garage punk and never stopped, making more raucous punk in the 70's/80's, before establishing Dead Moon which was just filthy, filthy, tribal punk rock n roll. like real primordial, chanting and dancing and drinking and banging in a graveyard type of ditties. Put out on an awesome d.i.y. label they started that always had a cool aesthetic.

He was married and played music with the same wonderful woman for OVER 50 years!! that's a long fucking time! and they seemed so playful and genuinely in love.. like in a random song they played a few years ago after decades of relationships and touring and substance abuse, he'd sing a line that was clearly about her, and play footsies onstage briefly and they'd smile at each other and it seemed like they were saying without saying "we did it. we proved them all wrong. rock n roll is real and love is real."
Born in Las Vegas, Cole started his career as a member of '60s psychedelic garage-rock band The Weeds, who later changed their name to The Lollipop Shoppe. The band released only four singles and two albums during its short career, but its song "You Must Be A Witch" is prized among collectors thanks to its inclusion on the 1980 garage-rock compilation Pebbles, Vol. 8.

After relocating to Portland in the mid-'60s, Cole met his future wife, Kathleen "Toody" Conner, when she was working the door at a local venue. They married in 1967, and spent the next two decades in Alaska and the Portland suburb of Clackamas, Oregon, raising their three children and forming various bands.

In 1987, Fred and Toody Cole formed what would become their most well-known and longstanding collaboration, blues-influenced garage-punk band Dead Moon, with drummer Andrew Loomis. Although Dead Moon never broke through to the mainstream—and didn't really want to—they were staples of the Pacific Northwest punk scene and boasted a cult following in Europe. The many garage-punk bands that came after them, like Black Lips and Jay Reatard, as well as grungy Pacific Northwest acts like Mudhoney and Pearl Jam, are all in Dead Moon's stylistic debt.


so everything they did is really good but if you wanna find a good place to get a diverse mix of his stuff (and I've posted something along these lines over the years because i'm a huge fan, dead moon ink on my arm and all'a that for emphasis, but anyhow, this is from a great blog, , greg harvesters, and he compiled the best dead moon stuff (or at least just all ragers and beauties because it's almost impossible to pick a favorite) alongside other gems over the years from misc. bands of there's..

Enjoy. but like, actually do it, because you will. enjoy it that is.
i hope so.

i'm starting school for ultrasound soon funded by a state agency.. getting an apartment in a few months which is something i'll be grateful for.. i was homeless and sleeping on the train for about a year so i got strangely comfortable in overtly uncomfortable things. was reduced to actually eating out of garbage cans and picked up cigarette butts off the floor, things like that. i haven't smoked crack and got off methadone 115 days ago and have been fully sober since then, which has been pretty difficult and uncomfortable and while i'm squirming being stuck with myself and no way out of myself i have to admit my life is ridiculously better
General / aronofsky's mother
August 04, 2017, 07:19:04 AM
i'm pretty excited for this shit..

General / shits a little slow around here
July 11, 2017, 01:49:56 PM
makes me sad. i miss when this shit was bumping.
General / jawbreaker reunion
April 19, 2017, 09:34:45 AM
although i don't worship at the alter of jawbreaker like many disciples, i enjoy their musical stylings and wouldn't mind going to see them for free or a relatively low price
General / sad and beautiful songs
April 06, 2017, 09:43:02 AM
great video with old footage of Kerouac and Ginsberg and some of their cronies..
General / redneck punk PETER STUBB
April 06, 2017, 08:58:21 AM
start with this amazing old video.. so good
anyone a fan of peter stubb? the guy has released literally hundreds of self released tapes each one with a hand drawn cover. he's spent a good chunk of his life in pyschwards and has a terrible cutting problem. he's been taking his medication, supposedly and has been doing better the last few years. i started corresponding with him a few years ago after i wrote something about him on a blog i used to use and he sent me some beautiful tapes.
he plays all acoustic and his albums go from pop punk to death metal to ridiculous redneck punk. sometimes his songs are heartbreaking and beautiful and some are disturbing and twisted and sad. he really pours everything he possibly has into his music. here's some stuff but it's just the very tip of the gargantuan iceberg..

both highyl recommended EP's


a great track from the highly recomended Lizard Dick Association tape


early videos..

and here's an excerpt from Greg Harvesters blog remoteoutposts.. he wrote a big articles about ol' Stubb..

Peter Stubb has gone by many names in his life: Gary League, Dewayne King, Cannibalistic Retard, Gary Lee Austin, Gary Spit and many more. Peter Stubb, for whatever reason, is the one that has stuck around the longest. He began home recording his own songs on cassette sometime in the late 80's, just banging on things and making guitar noises with his mouth. The lyrics could be funny, disturbing and demented. Other times, they were crushingly depressing, especially when he delved into the topics of the reality of his everyday landscape, which included the mental wards and psychological education centers of North Georgia.
   I had heard stories of Peter Stubb throughout the south for a while and got a chance to play a show with him in Chattanooga in late 1995. To put it lightly, it was life changing. Throughout the show, the punks had been flying all over the room, singing defiantly and going nuts. As Peter started to set up to play, most of the people in the room politely sat on the floor in front of him and a hush grew through the building as if something important was about to happen. Peter sat in front of the assembled audience, struggling with some papers and a music stand, his face painted in fucked up, dripping corpse paint and his shoulders flanked by football pads. His battered acoustic guitar was covered in fading stickers and his arms were completely covered in scars from self-inflicted knife wounds. He appeared to be nervous and too anxious to be in front of all these people. All I could think as he was about to strike the first chords was "What the fuck is going on?!" He belted out a quick 40 second song devoted to the love of cunnilingus and the crowd howled. Seconds after finishing that one, he completely changed gears and destroyed the audience with one of the most honestly depressing songs I had ever heard. The punk kid next to me who earlier looked so tough and bulletproof was sobbing like a baby.

    Soon after, I was visiting Chattanooga again and I asked my friend Eric Nelson if he could copy any of Stubb's music for me. He obliged with this tape, "Blueberry Masturbator". He joked around about the less serious songs on the tape but he added, almost gravely, that Peter Stubb is the most honest songwriter that he has ever heard in his life. On the drive back to Alabama, I put it on and got a chance to really immerse myself in it. It starts off almost abruptly with "Social Phobia", which feels as if you just stumbled into an internal monologue that had been occurring long before you arrived. Stubb palm-mutes like crazy in a way that recalls the best RAMONES songs and introduces you to his world of anxious paranoia. The next couple of songs are a complete 180, telling stories of pot heads and objectifying women. While stuff like the latter may offend the ears of my more radical thinking readers (like say, me), I think this is part of the Stubb experience. His songs are uncomfortable, untamed and dark. To only listen to the ones that line up with your political outlook is cheating. "Bodies in the Tub" is about stacking up the dead bodies of his oppressors in his bathtub. "I Don't Care If You Go" is about Stubb's mom. "Crashed and Died" is about a motorcycle wreck in which Peter crashes and dies "like a motherfucker". Towards the end, Stubb launches into some odd speech that is part possessed/part childlike that permeates some of his other songs, but this is it's only appearance on this tape. Just when you thought he wasn't gonna get too serious again, he comes back with "Committed", a crushingly sad song that details his early experiences with the north Georgia mental health system, which I can only imagine is less than stellar. In the song, he sings...

    "One teacher asked me, what would I like to be. I said 'A werewolf...a demon inside of me.' She kinda flipped out. She said I needed help. She said 'How long have you felt this way?'. I said 'I don't know. I'm like this everyday.' She said 'We'l get you can count on it.' Next thing I knew, I was committed."

   Later, he says that they won't let him out until the sanity is back in him, In the next song "Bu-Doing-Schwing", you're finally convinced that Stubb has lost it in this song about hyper-sexualized lust....and his dick. He makes weird sounds with his voice, which recall many of his earlier tapes and the whole thing is just kinda bizarre. Abruptly, Stubb launches into the last two songs, which take you into the lowest depression of the whole tape. "Just One More Time" is about feeling bad about the things that have happened in your life and wishing you could change them. The final song, "They Took It Away" is epic, destructive and possibly the single most depressing song I have ever heard in my life because it is 100% real and nothing but honest. I can't even do it justice by talking about it. You just have to listen to it alone and let his words pull you into the darkness.

   Long before this release, Peter Stubb had been releasing his own self-recorded tapes and he still continues to this day. Many of his early tapes were one of a kind...he would record a couple of songs, make a cover and just give it to a friend. Others were released in a edition of ten or less and you might find a copy of it that Stubb left in the bathroom at a Dalton, GA Wal-Mart. There are countless tapes of his music all over the place. You never knew what you would find on these tapes, but it was/is always interesting. He's still releasing a few tapes a year and if you send him $4-6 cash in the mail, he will send you a new one. You can find Peter here on his FB page and he'll send you his address to order tapes.
   I'm putting this up on this site to archive it and for all of his old friends and fans, but mostly I am sharing it in the hopes that someone in a small town in the middle of nowhere will find this and have it change their life in the way it changed mine (as well as many of the people I love).
Thanks to Eric Nelson for everything.
Thanks to Josh Mayfield for being such a dutiful archivist of Stubb's music for so many years.
Thanks to Peter Stubb for making all of this music and for giving me permission to put this tape online.

Download "Blueberry Masturbator"

...and here is a link to the short film "I'm Like This Everyday", made by Mitchell Powers in 2008.

i was on rikers island for a little bit. got sentenced to thirty days for petty larceny. i've been homeless for the last month or so.. well technically homeless for almost 2 years now because i was in shelters but my addiction (crack this time around. i'm a real winner right?) has brought me to such horrific lows that 24 hours Dunkin Donuts and train cars have been humble abode. It was right around a big snow storm and i stole some clothes to get extra layers and stay warm and it didn't go to plan.. anyhow,  it was lonely and sad and miserable. no visits, no money on books to buy some commissary. friends and family are beyond tired of my shit. hopefully it'll be my last time (even though I've said that countless times).. but i got out at around 3 a.m. this morning and haven't gotten high since then, went dutifully to my program and caught up with some old friends (real friends.. not methadone cronies or old dope fiends).. so yeah, that's where I've been (if anyone even realized).

hopefully everyone has been doing better than ol' me.
recommended reading..
Chaos Magick : Nothing is true; everything is permitted.

"Darken your room, shut the door, empty your mind. Yet you are still in
great company - the Numen and your Genius with all their media, and your
host of elementals and ghosts of your dead loves — are there! They need no light by which to see, no words to speak, no motive to enact except through your own purely formed desire."
― Austin Osman Spare, The Logomachy of Zos

Chaos Magick started in the late 70's as an underground movement , the idea was that symbolism, costumes, rituals in traditional magic systems such as Qaballa were used to an end , but aren't the end itself.

"Chaos Magick is an extraordinary deconstruction of magick, semantics, and psychology designed to eradicate consensual belief structures and, using the energy freed by this act, glimpse the fractal contours of reality."

The magician must choose what please him best to cause the change that he wants to achieve , therefore Chaos Magick is much more a Do it Yourself idea than anything else. Nevertheless , there is a few core principles , no dogma , because most dogma act like block to many possibilities . Second principle , experiment , experiment, experiment, try and do what's work for you. Seriousness and being rigourous is important , neglecting is not allowed this is another principle. Deconditioning for flexibility is also a key principle and at last but not least , the magician must achieve gnosis the magical trance state .(altered state of consciousness)

Over the time , Chaotes have adopted a set of techniques that they often use because they have proven to be effective.


Originally developed by the English magician and author Austin Osman Spare . A sigil is a symbolized form of a desire or will. Once the magician has created its sigil, it send it to it subsconsious directly without the conscious being aware (this phase is called charging) , in order to not interfere with the subconscious the sigil has to be forgotten , the magician attempt to do that during the banishing phase . After this , the subconscious can convert the sigil into action and reality .


First, write down your desire very clearly, like this:


Scan the letters and cross out any repeating ones, as follows:

IT xS MY Wxxx xO BE xFxxRxD xxx xxUxx

Which leaves us with the following letters remaining:


There. Now you've done the first stage – creating your statement of intent, and simplifying it.

Magical notes: What lies behind creating a statement of intent?

What you've just done is taken a conscious desire and broken it down into something your conscious brain doesn't recognise any more: a meaningless string of letters. The more energy you put into turning your sentence into something unrecognisable, the more you leave your annoying conscious mind behind and hammer the message into your powerful subconscious.

The creation of the Statement of Intent is really important. Austin Osman Spare preceeded all of his magical statements with the prefix "THIS MY WISH..." followed by the description of what he desired. Maybe you don't have to, but it does make the exercise feel more formal and special. You could also use THIS MY INTENT, or THIS MY WILL – whatever works for you.

Also, the statement of intent must be expessed only in positive, not negative terms. The subconscious has the annoying habit of perceiving everything positively. For example, if you want to pass an exam, do not express it as "I will not fail my exam" — the deep mind ignores the "not" and hears this as "I will fail my exam"! Instead, express it as something like "I will pass my exam with flying colours".

Also, sigil magic is simple and powerful. A good way to begin is to choose some simple, unimportant result — one to which you aren't personally attached, so your conscious mind doesn't care what the results are. Like:


Such a wish is entirely unimportant, but not something that one runs into every day, so it's a good test. See how long it takes for the wish to manifest. The practical side of such exercises is that success increases one's confidence that MAGIC WORKS, which in turn makes success more likely for more important objectives.

There is no way to prove if sigil magic works (or not) except by trying it yourself. Never believe the hype. Create your own. Moving on...


So far, you've got your simplified Statement of Intent: ITSMYWOBEFRDU

You're now ready to go on to the next stage and turn this string of letters into a picture – your magical sigil.

On your piece of paper, make a basic, rough sketch linking the various letter shapes together, combining some of them as you go along (for example, an "M" is a "W" upside down, "I" is contained in "T", "F" is part of "E", "D" sits snugly in "O", etc.):

Next the image is simplified and refined.

chaos magic sigil

The magical sigil above contains all the letters in "it is my will to be offered red fruit".

It's been given extra embellishments to look spooky and distract the mind.

It's also been designed to look a little bit like a strawberry. Because why not.

Most homemade sigils look a little spooky or alien – like UFO writing or witchy wall-scratchings. There are no rules as to how your sigil should look as long as it works for you.
He was killed after asking them to stop the seig-heils. it's a sad world.
there was a musical bridge, overlooked by it's predecessor (C.N.) and the drastic sonic departure of Wade Bogs, called Shitty Darkness. If you wanna read about em a bit or download them as well as the aforementioned Wade Boggs (which when dealing with music it's hard to say this is my "favorite" of the bands because they all a unique collision of all sorts of thoughts and fragments but all i know is that some of these songs have the potential to be stuck in my head for a very, very long time. one of the bands that you, or at least i knew, immediately, as how it is with what grows to become my favorite bands/books/etc, that it was a great piece of art.

shitty darkness-

wade boggs-
(listening to this now... demands that i reiterate the above statement to get this. it's very, very good. )
welcome home,nemo.
spastic, nerdy indie pop punk with Tenement-esque moments/slight after taste of 90s emo (indian summer came to mind), unconventional song structure. really good. First two songs, Girlfriend and Night of Won't, alone got me all stuck in the messy jumble (i'm almost hearing if Cap'n Jazz wanted to play some pop punk). hopefully someone enjoys as much as myself.

Welcome Home, Nemo-

it's a really interesting concept. daniel plays old tapes of himself to himself and answers questions his younger self asks, and gives himself advice, and talks to himself and the director plays a younger version of him and daniel speaks to him.. i'm describing it pretty shittily but check it out. it's kinda short and really beautiful
General / up the jewish punx
December 29, 2016, 10:57:15 AM
General / find and revive a random ridiculous old post
December 29, 2016, 10:51:49 AM
i'm currently doing some digging.. gonna see what i can find!
General / sad, miserable and/or break up songs
December 29, 2016, 10:43:40 AM
I want to hear music that lets me know i'm not alone in my deep loneliness. any good recommendations? particularly songs about losing love?
General / meat puppets appreciation thread
December 08, 2016, 09:36:41 AM
each album is entirely different sounding than the others. the later ones are more "grunge", Mirage is a weird pyschedlic one, Huevoes is their hode to ZZ Top, II is their masterpiece in my opinion (and many others agree) it merges punk with pysch and country and is just pretty much flawless. the first is 80s hardcore but with a lysergic edge to it
so if anyone can donate any clothes whatsoever it would help. i literally just have the clothes i was wearing that day. my phone was in it, books, a lifetimes worth of band shirts i've been collecting not to mention my favorite leather jacket, all my winter coats, shoes, boxers.. fucking everything.. anything would help. even a pair of socks.

god i feel like such a fucking bum. i'm sorry to ask something like this
General / A potentially fun Beatles thing
December 03, 2016, 04:01:22 AM
So this thing was gettin some serious back and forth action going on a buddies facebook.

It said to rate the members as a Beatle, solo albums and as humans.

Here's a sample exmple:

As Beatles :
Paul > George > John > Ringo
Solo albums :
George > Paul > John > Ringo
As Humans :
George > Paul > Ringo > John

So overall :
George > Paul > John > Ringo

I have a tendency to elborate. Here was my insightful contribution..
Beatles.. 1) John  (call me cliche but working class hero, god, mother? And those were only after his tenure in the world's best band). He was punk rock and dressed as a teddy boy (english greaser) , knocking back speed pills with the beer he got paid in to play a dive  pubs in a subterranean liverpool. He knew love and its cruel bedfellow loss (we all do but some cant cope as efficiently) and wrote the more acidic,sardonic, pummeling musically and vocally songs in the repetoire. Accentuated the more wholesome flawless mccartney pop song, who for his part chipped away some of the edges off johns and brought to focus the jagged edges and damaged ferocity seething below perfect, PERFECT pop songs.He wanted to stay in bed for days and fuck and say fuck the man so him and yoko did so. He wandered the east village when it was dirty and dangerous and got hooked on and subsequently quit smack cold turkey. He would have loved rap, I imagine earliest afrika bimbata to public enemy. He wrote imagine. Actually if I'm using that I could say he wrote (insert any song of his here? His progression was continuous. Whether it was taking acid and laying a vague blue print for anti-folk (well that's what a lot of rubber soul sounds like to me,) or incorporating innovative new psychology methods at the time, primal screaming, which disemboweled a song, leaving a putrid, beautiful, gory mess on the somber ground below. He howled for his mother. Didn't believe or want Jesus Christ to save him even if he was real. He died the same day as Darby crash. Punk
(Fav solo- John Lennon and plastic ono band?

2) George- flawless guitar shreddage. Even his open chords were "face melters". I could attempt to play a simple D chord everyday until i die and never perfectly match his, its as if he transcended music, learned it in a language format and speaks it all seraphim-esque. His fingers, as if a spider, spun around the neck crafting a beautiful web sweet from morning due and honeysuckle.. here comes the sun? Blackbird? Norwegian wood? And your bird can sing? Yes, i could go on.Went from these ballads and soul transmitter radio frquency tracks to fucking rippers..helter skelter sounds like proto-metal to me with it's thunderous assault and like always, with every song and this is key to why hes one of my favorite guitarists.. just enough notes at just the right time. Never excessive shredding just for the fuck of it to show he can (and indeed he can. For example see the guitar solo at the end of The Taxman) and get some muff, but hes also never too subdued. It helps to listen with headphones. Precise, biting little riffs stringing chords together. And I want you (she's so heavy)? On the second half thats proto-stoner metal/doom with that haunting riff drenched and deep fried in lysergic acid, pummeling onward, like the dead forever walking because they cant except death and dunno what else to do. Black cats crossing paths and strutting down a highway length piano with black lava keys. As you can see it makes me think, dream, have visions. it's rare notes on an axe resonate and are equally if not more catchy than some lyrical vocal patterns but the man's responsible for tracks I've had stuck in my head about 28 years
(Fav solo- all things must pass)

3) Paul- a tremendous presence and embodiment of the more saccharine elements/poppier sentiments, was perfect for sparring musically with Lennon. While I used to be frustrated by them signing lennon/McCartney for every fucking song,  now I see the reason. The combination is a separate entity from its collected counter parts. The visceral and turbulent songs wouldn't have the same attention demanding and awe inducing effect if not layered between songs that are the musical embodiment of beauty..Venus de Milo, Joan of arcs strength at the stake, liberation from the death camps of the 40s and the castrating,crippling, clausthobic paranoid 50s, or, hell, I'll let the Beatles speak for themselves, songs about wanting to hold your hand".
(Fav solo- ramm)
4) ringo- ha, fuckkkiin ringo. Pitifully easy cheap shots aside the man did his job. Held a perfect beat, through in sparse and seldom yet memorable and awesome fills. Also I haven't been able to get yellow submarine or octopuses garden out of my head for almost 28 years
General / creative 80s hardcore
November 28, 2016, 12:42:10 PM
the genre had a tendency to be formulaic, repetitious, redundant, etc (as do almost all genres). However, I've always liked the bands that threw in a unique twist of their own..

essential mix of hardcore punk/classic rock/mad man vocals (went on to make drastically different sounding music, but not in a "sell-out manner", more a creative evolution)

ridiculous. disgusting. absurd. awesome.

steely dan/CCR influenced punk rock. unwavering in their d.i.y. ethics. by all accounts awesome dudes.

the singer Doc Corbin Dart, changed his name to 26 and lives in caves and renounced swearing. Also, pretty much everything single Styrofoam cup you find anywhere whatsoever says Dart on it, which is his families company.  They weren't too happy that he decided to play in a ridiculous punk rock band called The Crucifucks and I believe had nothing to do with him.

Unless you're playing a show and you do a crowd-pleasing cover, I don't see the point in recording a cover song that's a note for note, identical carbon copy of the original. Why bother?

That being said, here's some of my favorite cover songs done with a unique twist

John Frusciante (of a little band you may have heard of called The Red Hot Chili Peppers) did an awesome version of Bad Brains Big Take Over. It was recorded on his seminal solo album. He was in a dark place, struggling with a full blown cocaine and heroin addiction. I saw a short arthouse/documentary type thing from this era that just filmed him nodding off on his couch in some shitty room he was renting and to say it was in a state of squalor is almost an understatement. I've been told by reliable sources that the majority of his solo stuff is gold (doesn't matter how you feel about his band. This stuff is abstract, weirdo, dare i say brilliant? , type of outsider music. I've only really listened to this solo record though, which is called Niandra Lades and Usually Just a T-Shirt.


The Meat Puppets aren't for everyone. Especially this first album. Personally I think it's brilliant. but brilliance for me in this case entails unintelligible lyrics by acid casualty weirdo punks who started playing shows in the 80s hardcore scene and wore tye-dye and listened to equal parts Grateful Dead and Die Kruezen. Creedence Clearwater and Crucifucks. They're second album after this one is my personal favorite (and most peoples). It has all those songs that Nirvana covered and most people don't even realize their meat puppets tracks (plateau, lake of fire, oh me). But the early stuff really resonates with me. 80's hardcore drenched in LSD. Here's one of the slower tracks and it's an interesting, for lack of a more apropos word, cover.


i dig.


Mountain Goats covering Jawbreaker (boxcar) . yes.
General / anyone into electronic music?
November 10, 2016, 11:02:36 AM
it's not really my thing but my brother Ethan is pretty nice with it. He tours and stuff.

if you wanna hear his shit...

He (Ethan), used to be into punk mainly and when I used to live with my family we'd jam in the basement. Ethan was a drummer and I played guitar/bass/sang/whatever and it was awesome. Anyhow, long story shortish almost overnight he got into only listening to and making electronic music. There's a name for his type but i don't really know much that's why I just keep saying electronic which I know has so many variations and genres etc.

If anyone knows any good shit let me know. I'm into anything that sounds good.
General / What's up
November 08, 2016, 03:05:37 PM
Reading a comic and drinking coffee in the shelter seeing if the streets burn tonight. Also enjoying the marshal mathers lp  tape a buddy gave me

How about y'all
It seems a bit jumbled because I didn't explain the situation/or any context really but this is what i got and i'd loved to start up another post your art and writing thread. anyhow without further ado...

The Moon Child (quarantined in cell named Infinities Mirror)

"Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth".- Buddha

The hermetica- on the "moon " –"lost wisdom of the pharaohs/the creations of humankind


ONE Moon Child/ A.K.A. Patient (-0)
Ethnicity- Atlantis Blood Line. Pale complexion (similar to false depictions of white jesus), grey eyes. Blonde Hair which deepens at age 4)
Currently: Held in quarantine (Infinities Miorror.) Sensory Deprivation since birth (was confiscated from a heroin addicted woman in a hospital in Detroit. Father not known. Birth and subsequent cutting of umbilical cords was the only tendril of leniency for error)in cell. Sedative gas pumped daily, intravenous fluid, food, vitamins supplied.)
WHY? –More on this absurd situation after more introductions.
TWO Professor Eugene Thoth/(no nickname worth, mentioning here)
Ethnicitiy- Sicilian. Olive complexion . deep green eyes. Pomade slicked back).
Drugs Of Choice- Caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, barbiturates, H20, Vagina, 02, Lithium,. Valiuem.)
Deposition- Sometimes sufferes migraines, melancholy (Don't we all?), Madness (repeat prior insertion)
Creditionals- Sociology/Neuroscience Professor. (Published Work)- Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease). Studied Trivium (grammar/logic, rhetoric) and quadrivium (arithmetic/geometery/music, astromony, Tarot Reader.

THREE Dr. Phoenix Bathis/ A.K.A. (Kthulu)
Ethnicitiy/Description- Welsh. Pale, blue eyes, blonde hair but shaved to the skin. Heavily tattooed (Lovecraft, Black Magic, Thorbbing Gristle Tattos, more, etc.). Heavily Pierced.
Drugs of Choice- microdose LSD for depression, caffeine, Dexedrine, I.V. cocaine, sex addiction)
Credentials- Higher Doctorate/substantial portfolio of compositions/scholarly pubications DMA (Doctor of Musical Arts)/sociomusicology/music physics, acoustics self researched.  Makes homemade noise splice tapes that are actually quite beautiful if the drugs are right or you can relax for a moment and listen and forget your problems.
General / Best villians.
October 27, 2016, 01:31:30 PM
The joker. Heisenberg. Alan Moore's from hell theory on who back the ripper was. God/Spanish inquisition
General / Favorite ramone.
October 25, 2016, 09:46:19 PM
Dee dee
General / Best quotes
October 24, 2016, 03:05:46 AM
Never print what I say in this lifetime, but that mummy case caused the war - Sir Earnest Budge.  Of Egyptian and Assyrian Antiquities at the British musuem, (1893-1924)
General / r.i.p. the board
October 17, 2016, 08:47:18 AM
General / what i learned from comic books
October 17, 2016, 08:44:10 AM
General / i wish i got to see the misfits reunion
September 12, 2016, 11:05:09 AM
I'm sure some people, maybe all, dislike them, and as douchey as they may be as people (and many of their fans) they were huge for me when I was getting into punk and finding music of my own in general.

A bunch of my buddies saw them at riotfest and the youtube videos look pretty awesome. They have so many songs that could get stuck in my head forever
General / new descendents rec
July 24, 2016, 09:34:00 AM
its streaming everywhere. check it. awesome
General / r.i.p. erik petersen of mischief brew
July 15, 2016, 12:21:39 PM
sing loud and strong in your new celestial abode.
very sad.
General / scariest songs
July 10, 2016, 12:35:12 PM
The lyrics for this song were inspired by and largely taken from a letter written by physician Blaster Al Ackerman describing a woman in a burn unit. The lack of concern for humanity is appalling,

"...By far the worst is the hamburger lady, and because of shortage right now of 'qualified technicians', e.g. technicians who can work with her and keep their last meal down, Screwloose Lauritzen and I have been alternating nights with her, unrelievedly. If you put a 250-lb meatloaf in the oven and then burned it and then followed that by propping it up on a potty-chair to greet you at 11pm each night, you would have some description of these past two weeks. Which is to say the worst I seen since viet napalms. When somebody tells you that there is a level of pain beyond which the human mind cannot retain consciousness, please tell them to write me. In point of fact this lady has not slept more than 3-5 minutes at a stretch since she came to us – that was over two weeks ago and, thanks to medical advances, there is no end in sight; from the waist (waste?) up everything is burned off, ears, nose etc – lower half is untouched and that, I guess, is what keeps her alive. I took one guy in to help me change tubes and he did alright, that is alright till he came out, then he spotted one of the burn nurses (pleasant smiling zombies) eating a can of chile-mac at the desk, and that did it: he flashed on the carpet. It is fucking insane is what it is."
General / recommend some skinhead reggae please
June 26, 2016, 09:56:33 AM
its that time of year
so i just got out of rikers island. a friend of mine wasnt so lucky. he got stabbed 43 times and last thing i saw was him holding his entrails and crying for his mother.

i turned 28 in the bullpen, which is the worst part. the intake is before you get a bed so its a small cell with over a hundred people, most kicking dope, everyone shivering, puking, shitting.

it got better. my bunkie was a serial hit man but a teddy bear at heart and frank lucas/nicky barnes dope runner. good guys.

but still, this is not the life i want.i dreamt of my mother silently weeping for me in purgatory. my father doesnt want to speak to me. i lost everythig..

i hope life is good for the rest of you. the dads, happy belated fathers day. happy summer dudes and gals
General / tentative decisions. mikey erg solo rec
May 19, 2016, 08:07:50 AM
im really excited. first lp worth of solo shit since ergs and the single, comme si about me is really good. perfect elvis costello meets the measure type song with an ending i associate as being a original vocal pattern/style unique to him.

av club called him "our generations westerberg", which is a comparison i hate for most musicians. the replacements rule but he wasnt the only one out there that it has to become a cliche. what about bob mould? tony sly? elvis costello? tupac?

anyway, yeah, no one seems to have a pulse anymore so disregard prob but im VERY pysched. the ergs are my favortite band, linked to my own only claim to "fame", best shows ive been to and played with, best group of musicians.. getting too gushy.
General / trade comics/zines
May 13, 2016, 11:12:05 AM
anyone interested?

i finished up a little thing of my own comics, Neurotica (which is outsider related music/art/etc), and a zine which is an excerpt from a fantasy novel i'm working on complete with maps and all sorts of cool little things. will gladly trade with anyone
General / ergs reunion on chris gethard show
May 10, 2016, 05:06:15 PM
cant wait
General / amazing pictures thread
May 06, 2016, 12:05:40 PM
think there's been a few threads along these lines but i couldn't find them while searching.. here's just some random ones that i think are awesome..

"Steve Rosenfield's "What I Be" was a very special project in which participants were photographed sharing their biggest insecurities while simultaneously declaring that those insecurities did not define them.  This photo of Holocaust survivor "Ellen" called "I Am Not My Number" is so incredibly powerful precisely for that reason.  With one gesture, the shackles of trauma are shrugged off.  Ellen may be traumatized.  But trauma does not define her."

cool ol' Louie Armstrong serenading his boo beside the Pyramids

first black bikers club

"In 1941 they thought they had lost each other when they were separated during the Holocaust.  In 1946, they found each other again in Israel.  This is the moment it happened."

Archaeologists in Italy have unearthed two skeletons thought to be 5,000 to 6,000 years old, locked in an embrace.
The pair from the Neolithic period were discovered outside Mantua, about 40km (25 miles) south of Verona.
The pair, almost certainly a man and a woman, are thought to have died young as their teeth were mostly intact, said chief archaeologist Elena Menotti.

General / g.o.t.
May 05, 2016, 07:40:01 AM
game of thrones has been the only thing ive watched for weeks since i had to go from episode one to current season so, like almost everyone else, ive grown to love it. anyway to make an appreciation without spoilers?

in related news a friend is starting a 77 punk themed got band called stiff little finger. so good.
General / new descendents album
April 24, 2016, 07:27:49 AM
gonna be good
General / r.i.p Prince and chyna
April 21, 2016, 10:19:20 AM