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General / Re: Bright eyes not a rapist
July 16, 2014, 11:48:38 PM
I have all of the thoughts in the world about this. Two things to put out there right away:
1) I wouldn't be surprised if I am the biggest Conor Oberst/Bright Eyes fan on the PIX board (old version or new), and that his music & lyrics mean more to me than anyone aside from possibly Lindsey and Chris Clavin.
2) As such, I had A LOT invested in hoping he would be shown not guilty...so much in fact that I actually stopped posting on the old PIX board in part just because it brought me actual pain to see that thread bumped and have to consider that someone who has meant so much to me for nearly half my life could be a rapist. Totally melodramatic, I know, but that's how much I wanted him to be innocent.
With those biases now admitted, I believe he is innocent, and am now comfortable saying it (whereas for 6 months I've just been keeping it to myself). There was an excellent Jezebel article by a woman who reluctantly believed Oberst: http://jezebel.com/rape-lies-and-the-internet-the-story-of-conor-oberst-1531785539
Worth noting, since I imagine most people won't read it:
1) Her story just doesn't check out factually, as far as basic details like whether Bright Eyes even played when she claims they did
2) She has a history of making up stories on the internet (not that it alone would prove her lying, but in this case the history is probably too strong to be completely ignored -- read some of the things she's made up before jumping on this point)
3) Oberst planned to donate the entire winnings of his lawsuit to organizations fighting rape and domestic violence
4) He said it made him sick that this story would provide fuel for MRA's and rape-deniers
This even more excellent article also examines how this story fits into false rape accusations, and shows why it doesn't actually bolster MRA-type arguments at all (though MRA's will obviously use it anyways :-\ )
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/15/conor-oberst-and-the-myth-of-the-woman-who-cried-rape.html
There's no way to prove Oberst is telling the truth, but I think in this rare case, it's far more likely he is than isn't. (Again, I know I have a lot invested in that being the case, but I still think it's pretty hard to read the details of this and conclude it's more likely that she's telling the truth than him).
1) I wouldn't be surprised if I am the biggest Conor Oberst/Bright Eyes fan on the PIX board (old version or new), and that his music & lyrics mean more to me than anyone aside from possibly Lindsey and Chris Clavin.
2) As such, I had A LOT invested in hoping he would be shown not guilty...so much in fact that I actually stopped posting on the old PIX board in part just because it brought me actual pain to see that thread bumped and have to consider that someone who has meant so much to me for nearly half my life could be a rapist. Totally melodramatic, I know, but that's how much I wanted him to be innocent.
With those biases now admitted, I believe he is innocent, and am now comfortable saying it (whereas for 6 months I've just been keeping it to myself). There was an excellent Jezebel article by a woman who reluctantly believed Oberst: http://jezebel.com/rape-lies-and-the-internet-the-story-of-conor-oberst-1531785539
Worth noting, since I imagine most people won't read it:
1) Her story just doesn't check out factually, as far as basic details like whether Bright Eyes even played when she claims they did
2) She has a history of making up stories on the internet (not that it alone would prove her lying, but in this case the history is probably too strong to be completely ignored -- read some of the things she's made up before jumping on this point)
3) Oberst planned to donate the entire winnings of his lawsuit to organizations fighting rape and domestic violence
4) He said it made him sick that this story would provide fuel for MRA's and rape-deniers
This even more excellent article also examines how this story fits into false rape accusations, and shows why it doesn't actually bolster MRA-type arguments at all (though MRA's will obviously use it anyways :-\ )
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/15/conor-oberst-and-the-myth-of-the-woman-who-cried-rape.html
There's no way to prove Oberst is telling the truth, but I think in this rare case, it's far more likely he is than isn't. (Again, I know I have a lot invested in that being the case, but I still think it's pretty hard to read the details of this and conclude it's more likely that she's telling the truth than him).
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