if i had to guess i'd say it's gonna wind up being Hillary.
still troubled by the schism of trump. there's a schism and splits between the GOP party, i've never met, or met someone who's met an actual trump fan but somehow he keeps coming out on top?
I'm voting for Sharpton
They take anyone these days, the esteemed mayor McCheese should give it a go
I'm hoping Bernie can pull it off in the midwest and west coast to keep him in the game. Every other candidate is trash.
I have a creeping fear that the republican party has a secret candidate in the wings that is full of less bullshit than Trump and that they are just waiting for the democrats to fall asleep.
Like, what if Mitt Romney decides to throw his hat in the ring this time? gross.
edit: a candidate technically has until August to submit their paperwork.
edit II: it is like asking your parents for something you know they won't buy you, like a pony, so that it softens the blow for what you actually want, like a skateboard.
I'm so smart I should be a pundit.
a candidate with no delegates at this point in the GOP game does not have a mathematical shot at the nomination. 1,237 are needed for nomination, only 1,777 are left.
At any rate, in a climate where they are willing to elect any moron just because he's an "outsider," running super-insider and super-failure Mit Romney would just be laughed away. The party voters do not like Mitt, they didn't even like him in 2012, they just didn't have other options.
It'd be pretty hilarious if Trump gets the nom, the GOP establishment loses their minds and runs their establishment person independent and destroys the party entirely. They know it would lead to a cakewalk victory for Clinton, but they probably would rather have her in there than Trump. Clinton's going to hand the GOP pretty much everything they want anyway. Trump is just going to be an embarrassing headache for them.
It won't happen, but it'd be nice.
Thank you for your voice of reason, Jer. First with RNNRHDS and now breaking me off some delegate knowledge.
He can also cure erectile disfunction with the touch of his soft hands.
He doesnt touch your penis.though. Just knee.
What happens if Clinton gets indicted? This election cycle is fucked up.
A brokered convention followed by the RNC electing Mitt as the candidate would be hilarious and is what I'm hoping for.
Quote from: skateandannoy on March 04, 2016, 09:39:11 AM
What happens if Clinton gets indicted? This election cycle is fucked up.
meh. won't happen.
Quote from: Anna Karina on March 04, 2016, 10:06:06 AM
A brokered convention followed by the RNC electing Mitt as the candidate would be hilarious and is what I'm hoping for.
also meh, won't happen.
i don't think a brokered convention is completely unlikely, but in that case the party will go with Rubio.
I think they've realized for a few weeks now that Rubio isn't electable. A few weeks ago they'd still stand behind him but not after Super Tuesday.
Not electable by the GOP base, but much more appetible than Trump or Cruz in a general election.
One of my co workers has covered the back side of his car with trump stickers. He comes to work everyday and gets into very in depth conversations with customers about how Trump is the best thing for this country and how Hilary is literally Hitler, and how we're screwed if Trump isn't elected. It annoys the crap out of me, not only because he's wrong and that it's unprofessional to politically lecture your customers, but he takes so much fucking time doing it and does no work.
funny about him saying hillary is literally hitler with that whole thing about someone reading Hitler quotes and passing them off as Trump quotes and supporters giving standing ovations and shit, agreeing with it all.
This election in general has made me lose all faith in America. I actually appreciated the country for certain reasons, but that such a huge proportion of it is in favor of Donald "Look at my big swinging Dick" trump is disgusting, confusing, and terrifying,
Quote from: jer on March 04, 2016, 11:58:28 AM
Not electable by the GOP base, but much more appetible than Trump or Cruz in a general election.
Getting obliterated tonight. So I still disagree with this.
The GOP base not voting for him in a primary causes you to disagree with my assertion that the GOP base won't elect him?
Cool, good talk.
If you're not even remotely liked by your base, you're not going to be electable in the GE.
Carson is currently ahead of him in Mississippi and Carson isn't even in anymore.
If anything, they'd back Kasich over Rubio.
You're contradicting your own point by saying they'd back Kasich over Rubio since he's even worse off in the primaries.
I don't think the Rubio situation is likely, I was just responding to the scenario you posed of the Establishment Republicans picking one of their own in a brokered convention. It won't be someone like Romney, but someone (at least marginally) in the game that they like. I don't even disagree that it could be Kasich, I just think it's more likely Rubio.
As far as being more electable in the general, I don't think Kasich nor Rubio can actually win the general, but my point is they're more palatable to traditional independents and moderates and in the Establishment's eyes that gives them a better chance.
In a brokered convention the Establishment probably holds their nose and goes with Cruz at this point to avoid a complete party meltdown/Tea Party 2.0, but if they're going to go crazy and just do what they want, it won't be someone like Romney (which like you said, WOULD be hilarious), but Rubio (or Kasich, to your point).
I have no idea what to expect but I'm having a hell of a time watching the Michigan primary results come in.
it would seem to me that, in the event trump ends up as the nominee, the democrats could run anyone and win. i wonder if the republican party would just throw in the towel, not give him their support, let the democrat win and retool for the 2020 elections, as they will almost certainly have a house majority still, and most likely senate.
So this isn't a prediction but I wanted to talk about it. I really was hoping that Bernie Sanders would win the primary but it is becoming clear that in all probability, that won't happen. I just read an article where many Sanders supporters are saying they will not vote for Hillary. They won't vote at all. I kind of feel the same way but I feel like that attitude is counterproductive in the long run. As much as I dislike Hillary Clinton, I think that I should still vote for her. I obviously don't want Trump, Rubio, or Cruz to get in and think that not voting at all due to lack of enthusiasm and active dislike for Clinton helps them. I guess it would be more of a vote against Repuclican rather than a vote for Clinton. I don't really want Bernie to run as an independent due to flashbacks of Ralph Nader.
I live in California so I can not vote for hillary with a clear conscience. If I lived in a swing state or anywhere it actually mattered, I'd begrudgingly vote for Clinton.
As it is, I'll probably just vote for Jill Stein again if she runs.
That makes sense. Indiana is generally one of the first states called for Republicans but I believe Obama may have won the state in '08 so it isn't completely automatic. I do see a lot of Trump bumper stickers so it may go to him pretty quickly.
Would anyone vote for Bernie Sanders as a 3rd party candidate? It sounds good but it would only take from Clinton and help Republicans in my opinion but I may be wrong. Anyone feel differently?
Quote from: BlakeK on March 27, 2016, 03:57:46 PM
That makes sense. Indiana is generally one of the first states called for Republicans but I believe Obama may have won the state in '08 so it isn't completely automatic. I do see a lot of Trump bumper stickers so it may go to him pretty quickly.
Would anyone vote for Bernie Sanders as a 3rd party candidate? It sounds good but it would only take from Clinton and help Republicans in my opinion but I may be wrong. Anyone feel differently?
No one with morals *not in a swing state* should write in Bernie if he doesn't get the nomination. The problem I forsee is Cruz, by and far scarier than Trump in terms of policy. We're talking about a literal theocratic who could nominate judges to overturn Roe vs. Wade and will begin the dismantling of the first amendment. It'll start small, creationism in schools, more christian doctrine obvious within government. From their, they'll make sure Islam and anything else can be treated with the same equality. A slippery slope. His economic advisor is one of the top men who helped cause the recession of '08.... while many neoconservatives have already come on record saying they would vote for hillary over trump [if that's not telling of her actual policy I don't know what is], there has been talk of putting everything behind Cruz at convention. If trump runs third party, you give democrat victory. If Trump doesn't run third party, in swing states you vote could help prevent the growing evangelical and ignorant culture brewing throughout the country from taking over with their sky god and anti-science madness.
After learning Hillary's [and Bill's] actual policy, I can no longer use the term democrat to describe myself, especially if she wins the nomination, and double so if she loses popular vote on pledged delegates but super delegates don't switch to Bernie [very unlikely, superdelegates have always gone with the popular vote, but then again, the super delegate system is not very old]
The best scenario if Bernie isn't elected is the destruction of the democrat party whilst simultaneously a broked GOP convention which destroys the GOP. From the ashes hopefully a four party system of progressive, libertarian, and whatever is left of GOP and Democrats.
Alternate media recommendations:
Secular Talk [radio/youtube]
The David Pakmon Show [radio/some tv/youtube]
The Benjamin Dixon Show [small New York based radio/community tv/youtube, focus on bringing the African American politics to the true progressive side.]
and of course NPR, PBS NewsHour, and Democracy Now
TYT ...meh, occasionally.
Representative to watch for: Nina Turner and Elizabeth Warren
I agree that Cruz is more dangerous. I doubt that he gets the nomination given his recent sex scandal. I know that it's not a big shock anymore when a man who claims to be for family values and is a conservative bible thumper has numerous affairs but I think it will cause conservatives on the fence to abandon Cruz altogether.
The last time I voted, I didn't see where I could write in a candidate. I don' know how much good that would do just because the majority of his supporters will not write him in. I don't even know how the whole "write in" process works as far as rules and regulations. I don't think a person is immoral simply because they vote for Hillary. I think they may be misguided or uninformed or else they are fine with the status quo which is what Hillary represents to me. I honestly don't know he many folks out there are thinking, "things are going well as is and I like the path the country is on" but there probably are such people.
As far as a shake up of the system, I don't think it will happen any time soon. It's unfortunate but people as a whole aren't going to push for change. I think it's hard to push for change just because it's hard to identify how and where to start and what that process will look like.
I have watched videos from the sources you recommend. You should check out the Rubin Report (he used to be on TYT but left presumably due to disagreements regarding how to address the issue of Islam and terrorism). There's an anarcho capitalist from Canada names Stefan Melanoux (spelling is incorrect) who claims to be all about reason and logic. He fancies himself as a philosopher but he's been called a cult leader. I think you would enjoy arguing with him. He's got a shitload of videos and is in my opinion pretty intellectually dishonest.
Aaron, I recommended Dave Rubin but lately he's been leaning awfully right and seems to have come to the conclusion he's a libertarian. I've been having a hard time finding any online news sources that I really enjoy. I like David Pakman the most at the moment, though I've found his show to be kind of tabloidish in the past. At first I liked that Rubin was having people with hard right views because I like the discussion. It just gets annoying when they're not challenged.
I don't know what to do as far as voting now that Bernie is pretty much through. I am so sick of how Bernie and his views have been portrayed in both mainstream and online media.
I think I'm going to vote libertarian this year if Hillary is the democratic nominee. I disagree with him on a lot of stuff but Gary Johnson seems like a relatively good guy. I might vote for Jill Stein even though I don't know anything about her and doubt she's on the ballot in Indiana. Who are you guys considering voting for? Obviously I like Bernie Sanders but California will most likely be the final nail. You never know, though! They said the same thing about Indiana and he won.
Hillary is awful but Gary Johnson isn't better. He's Ron Paul lite.
Quote from: jer on May 30, 2016, 02:10:23 AM
Hillary is awful but Gary Johnson isn't better. He's Ron Paul lite.
You're right. I did more research last night and it wouldn't be a good move on my part. I was just going off of a clip I saw on Joe Rogan's podcast. The things I like were emphasized but you're right about him not being a good choice overall. Jill Stein?
I went on isidewith.com and it says that Hillary and Jill Stein are tied for 2nd best fit for me (Bernie Sanders is first). Of course that's based on what she says she stands for and policies she claims she supports but what she actually will do and has done is another story. This is all so frustrating!
how is hilary still running, let alone not facing criminal charges
Quote from: pronetoaccidents on May 31, 2016, 08:46:39 AM
how is hilary still running, let alone not facing criminal charges
Because the rich and the powerful can get away with anything. I'm amazed she's still winning despite her low approval rating. I know the party is doing everything in their power to give her the upper hand but damn. The silver lining of this election is that the Democratic Party has made it abundantly clear that they would rather risk losing by pushing Hillary (even though Bernie has a projected double digit lead over Trump were they facing off in November) than put in someone that would change the way the country is run.
They are more afraid of Sanders than Trump. If that doesn't say something to the public about where the allegiances of the "people's party" lies I don't know what does. Hopefully after another four years of red/ blue Washington cold war we can finally elect someone that will do something about our problems!
Quote from: jer on July 05, 2016, 10:27:40 AM
Quote from: jer on March 04, 2016, 10:13:41 AM
Quote from: skateandannoy on March 04, 2016, 09:39:11 AM
What happens if Clinton gets indicted? This election cycle is fucked up.
meh. won't happen.
teehee.
I mean, I knew that would happen. My original post was hypothetical, referring to how thoroughly messed up this election is. It's amazing that both parties brought the absolute worst possible candidates to the table this year. I guess that's the state of America and its politics: bottom of the barrel.
What a stupid world.
I'm going to go in and vote for Hillary in November. I've been through all of the stages of grieving and have reached acceptance. Jill Stein is not going to cancel my student loan debt for my contribution to what will amount realistically to her pulling 1-2% of the popular vote. Donald Trump scares me too much not to vote for his most threatening rival.
This probably belongs in a separate thread but what the fuck is going on in Britain? The prime minister resigns after the whole Brexit fiasco and now the two doofuses who led the movement to leave the EU have said that they aren't running for prime minister despite the fact that they are both at the height of their political careers. What the fuck is going on over there? No one wants to be prime minister?
The whole Brexit deal reminds me so much of the Trump candidacy in that I don't think he would know what to do if he were to become president, just as Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage don't know what to do now that they've fucked up and actually achieved an end that they never thought would actually happen. I guess they don't make demagogues like they used to.